People will say to me “so you and your wife are the ones who made that Abraham Lincoln film.” I have to kindly say no and explain that it is not a film about Abraham Lincoln. It’s a film about the over 160 men in 38 states across America who eat, sleep and breathe our 16th President. If you see our film expecting a history lesson, you’ll be disappointed. In the film, we follow Lincoln Presenter (don’t EVER call them impersonators!) John Mansfield as he competes in his first ever “Lincoln Look-alike” contest in Hodgenville, Kentucky, the birthplace of Abraham Lincoln. All his life, people tell John he looks like Lincoln, and now he wants to see if he can “be” Lincoln. With the help of veteran Lincoln Presenter Dennis Boggs, John finally has his big day. Will he win? I’m not going to tell you! See the movie!

Why should people see it?
First and foremost, folks should see our film, BEING LINCOLN–MEN WITH HATS because it’s entertaining. There’s a lot of serious stuff going on in the world and a lot of serious films are addressing those issues. But I truly believe that people need to come up for a breathe of air from time to time and just enjoy themselves. In my opinion, documentaries have an understood predisposition of being only about social issues, and that’s good, but if the medium and audience is to grow for the genre, festivals need to be more accepting of the lighter fare of some documentaries. Thank goodness for Secret City!

What led you to make this film?
My wife and Executive Producer Victoria Radford, is not only beautiful, but she is also brilliant. She wrote a book called “Meeting Mr. Lincoln” published out of Chicago by Ivan R. Dee. It is a collection of first hand accounts of people great and small who actually met Lincoln. In about 2005, TIME magazine wrote an article about the opening of the Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield, Illinois along with pictures of all these kooky Lincolns who came out for the opening ceremonies. She handed the magazine to me and said, “Honey, this would make a great story”. I had written and directed two short films, and being in Nashville and working in advertising, I’ve shot my share of commercials and music videos, but I really wanted to make a feature. A documentary was a great way to break into features where we could have more control. A good story is a good story, right? Having written a feature script, I wanted the film to have a tight story and structure with a beginning, a middle, and an end. We jumped in and never looked back.
What were some of the greatest challenges you faced in making this film?
The greatest challenge in making the film was getting people to participate. We hashed out dozen of story lines. I even considered myself as becoming a Lincoln! Vicki had nothing to do with that.
Money was a big factor. We have two children, jobs, and a mortgage and we didn’t want to put a strain on the family finances, but we wanted to own our film. The next film I make will have to be for someone else, or my kid will have to get a job to buy his milk money (for the social services folks reading this, that was a joke).
Also, our shooting ratio was about 10:1, so we shot a truckload of stuff. I could probably make a mini-series out of the out-takes. I traveled and shot every scene myself and I wished we had the money for a sound crew, so I think the sound could have been much better. I minored in photography, so if I had the time to light a scene, I would, but that was rare. More hands would have made my life much easier. Vicki couldn’t travel with me as much, because of our children, but she structured the interviews and came up with most of the questions. She is a real substance person, so I think that’s why we got a lot of good interview footage.
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What do you hope an audience gets from your film?
I’m an open book. You can ask me just about anything. So, I’ll tell you this, I had a crummy childhood. When I was young, I would loose myself in a good movie when some really ugly stuff was going on in my life or family. If I entertain people, possibly move them in some way, or just help them kick back a little, that would be my mission. The real world happens off-screen, so the film experience needs to be an outlet for my audience.
What do you get from your film?
I love the idea of people taking time out of their lives to participate in something that came out of my head. That is extremely gratifying.
Tell me about your Director of Photography and what they added to the film.
I was the DP on my film because of budget, but I don’t think I entirely blew it. Even though my film was a documentary, I tried extremely hard to block and light the shots if time permitted. I was always looking for b-roll footage and I shot a lot of time-lapse. I thought the juxtaposition of the interviews and time-lapse sequences gave the film an interesting visual rhythm and helps pace the action against the dialog.
What format (film, video, hi-def) and camera did you use and why did you choose the format and camera? If you had a choice, would you use that camera again?
I do wish I had a full-blown HD rig and was able to shoot entirely in progressive frame instead of HDV. My Sony FX-1 (and a rental Sony ZU-1) was awesome, but the extra frame information would have been nice, especially in the blacks and shadow. Lincolns wear a lot of black!!!
What other festivals is your film appearing in?
We have been in a total of three festivals so far. A highlight for us was being chosen to be the opening night film at the Derby City Film Festival in Louisville, Kentucky. That is just 50 minutes north of where Lincoln was born in Hodgenville, Kentucky. We got a letter from the Governor! Sweet.
What was your goal when you decided to make the film?
We wanted to make a feature. We wanted to make it about something we know and love. We wanted to have fun making it since it was going to be a three to four year commitment.

How much did it cost to make the film?
I haven’t totaled it up yet. I have two 3-inch binders at home with all my paperwork and receipts in it, but I would guess we spent about $25K.
What are you working on now, or next?
I wrote a feature script called “Time of Death” that did really well in several screenwriting competitions. It’s a forensic thriller in my 7th draft (yes, 7 drafts) and I’m going to start shopping that around for representation. After that, I have a good 10 pages and extensive notes on a romantic-comedy that I’m dying to finish about the wonderful world of bowling.
What are your three favorite films?
That’s an unfair question, dammit! But, I’ll try…
Comedy: Raising Arizona
Documentary: American Movie
Horror: The Changling (That ball bouncing down the stairs still freaks me out!)
Drama: The River’s Edge
Sorry, that’s four. There are so many.
Many of our users are just starting out; what advice do you have for aspiring filmmakers?
Read Robert Rodriguez’s “Rebel Without A Crew” and go shoot something! Even if it turns out crappy, shoot something. Unfortunately, with filmmaking there is a huge learning curve with the “craft” of the profession. The sooner you get past the technical stumbling blocks, the sooner you get to hone in on your content and substance. Turn your computer off and go shoot something, now! Ultimately, you must have a good story. So read a lot, and write more.
Have you placed your films online and do you think it’s a good outlet for young filmmakers to get exposure?
I think the eventual medium/media for everything will be online. However, I am waiting for legislation to focus more on the issues of compensation of creative works online. But, I am definitely excited about the prospect of reaching international and possibly galactic audiences in cyberspace.
Did you go to film school? If yes, where and what did you think of the experience?
No film school for me. The year I went from Jr. College to a four-year school, they killed the film program. I was poor and I was going to school on a United Way Scholarship, so I couldn’t go to a specialized film school. But, like Kevin Smith, I’ve watch a lot of films! And I mean a LOT of films.
What are some other films you have made?
I have made two narrative short films.
PREMONITION. A man gets a premonition about his own death through prints made by an old Polaroid camera (I wrote this before I read the Stephen King short story “The Sun Dog”). Shot on Mini-DV.
THE VISITOR is about a young man in college who pays his last visit to his dying Grandmother. She has a dark secret she wants to tell him because he is her favorite. I shot this movie completely on film which was extremely expensive, but what an education I got doing it!
Which filmmakers have most influenced your work?
The Coen Brothers, Michael Mann, Katherine Bigelow, Michael Moore, Takashi Mike, so many. I think Buster Keaton was a genius.
What’s you motto?
Nothing is cheap or easy. But most likely, nothing cheap or easy is worth doing.
Being Lincoln-Men With Hats screens at the 2008 Secret City Film Festival on Thursday, October 9th in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
For more info on the Secret City Film Festival, visit:
http://www.secretcityfilmfestival.com/index.htm
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http://www.beinglincoln.com/about.html